呼吁吃素 - 昨天另一轮的瘟疫爆发警讯

o1j2m3

你能不能不打妄想呢？
请看清楚宣化上人带出来的意思，如果你想创造绝对或否定论，别牵涉到我。

o1j2m3

有些时候，资料只对正确的人拿出来而已。
你们抱着辩论和否定的心态，资料和垃圾没有什么分别。

o1j2m3

噢，那也不错，对我而言，是很好的体会。

o1j2m3

基本上，我就是让他们那么做，也知道他们会这么做。

他们不相信自己没有正见，所以，我就让他们不断发表非正见，或偶尔打妄想的言论。哎呀，他们欢喜就好了，我不管他们。毕竟他们每一个人都说自己有正见。当你说你有正见，当他说他有正见，最好的方式就是统统发表。虽然不否定里面有些是有正见的。

o1j2m3

那可比打妄想强。
反正也没有打算和你们辩论，只是你们自己，情不自禁进入辩论状态，才会有“狡辩”的感觉。

o1j2m3

这个倒可以回答：
驾车也会出意外，不过这比骑电单车少，那么能力允许自然要选择驾车。

吃素和吃肉，吃素就是驾车，吃肉就是骑电单车，而每个人都有能力吃素。
宣化上人的话，一直以来就是这个样子，先把最严重的结果放在前面来说，至于你要驾车还是骑电单车，随你喜欢。

我贴这篇文章，也差不多是这个样子。

[ 本帖最后由 o1j2m3 于 29-4-2009 08:15 AM 编辑 ]

kkyen84

真理已经开始变成争理了～～～
在吃肉时先想想动物的痛苦表情吧，别人割你一刀你有什么感觉～

kkyen84

真理已经开始变成争理了～～～
在吃肉时先想想动物的痛苦表情吧，别人割你一刀你有什么感觉～

o1j2m3

而且，根据各种例子：狗，猫，狮子，老虎等等肉食动物，都出现了一些特殊的素食例子。是世界性的趋势，宗教信仰的感化，还是特殊的因缘呢？

身为佛教徒的，又如何看待这些被称为返祖的素食现象呢？　

Straw-Eating Lions and Vegetarian Cats
from the April 14, 2009 eNews issue

A cat in Tasburgh, England, has become relatively famous for his peculiar cuisine choices; he refuses to eat meat. Since his owner Becky Page rescued the starved kitten from an alley two years ago, she has only been able to get him to eat fruits and vegetables. Cat experts are befuddled by this vegetarian feline, but kitty Dante may not be so strange after all. Perhaps Dante is simply a genetic throwback to the days before the Flood and a precursor to what carnivores will be like in the Millennium.

After Becky Page, 21, brought home little Dante two years ago, she proceeded to try to fatten him on chicken and fish and tuna. Dante just turned up his nose at the stuff. Instead, he chowed down on a dish of leftover vegetables he found near her kitchen garbage. Now Dante only eats fruits and vegetables, which Page raises herself. He won't touch canned cat food.

Dante's tastes go beyond mere finicky feline syndrome; he simply should not exist. Cats do not usually have the choice to go vegan because they are obligate carnivores.  That is, they must eat meat to survive. Felines have a high protein requirement, and they need certain nutrients like taurine and cobalamin (Vitamin B12) which come from meat. Cats are the only mammals incapable of synthesizing the organic acid taurine and must obtain it from animal flesh or supplements. Without sufficient taurine, cats can eventually lose hair and teeth, develop heart disease, and go blind. While meat is its best source, Vitamin B12 can also be found in eggs and milk, and is necessary for the healthy functioning of the brain and nervous system.  A cat simply cannot thrive on a vegan diet.

Dante is therefore an aberration in the Cat Family. "I admit he has a very, very unique appetite," Page acknowledged, "but he's certainly healthy."

Sarah Medway, who runs a web site dedicated to cat behavior, said "I have never heard of a purely vegetarian cat. Nutritionally cats need to eat meat to survive.”

Yet, Dante is not absolutely alone. Many years ago, Georges and Margaret Westbeau of western Washington adopted a newborn lioness they named Little Tyke. When it was time to wean her, the Westbeaus were surprised that the growing cub refused to eat meat. She'd reject milk if it had even a drop of blood in it

At first, the Westbeaus were deeply concerned because Little Tyke absolutely would not touch meat. For four years they tried every which way to get protein down her in the form of flesh, and she would not accept it. Then one day somebody said to them, "Don't you read your Bible? Read Genisis 1:30, and you will get your answer."

    "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so." -Gen 1:30

That verse helped the Westbeaus to stop worrying. They fed Little Tyke various grains, milk and eggs – a diet she thrived on. The milk and eggs would have provided Little Tyke with some of the B12 she needed, but not the taurine. Yet, Little Tyke lived strong and healthy for years. She would go out into the field and chew on grass stalks every day to condition her stomach. She also had no predatory nature, and lived in peace with the chickens and sheep and peafowl and kittens on the Westbeaus' ranch. A famous picture was taken one day when a lamb, Becky, curled up between Little Tyke's front paws, bringing to mind the picture from Isaiah 11:6-7:

    "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox." - Isaiah 11:6-7

Dante and Little Tyke are not freaks of nature; they are reminders of how nature was meant to be.  The world at the Creation looked quite a bit different than it does today. Thousands of years of genetic deterioration have left all creatures with bodies prone to illness and disease and early death. It isn't the same world in which Adam died a young man at 930 years. The Flood apparently changed a lot of things. Lifespans split in half after the Flood, and after the Flood God gave man permission to eat meat (Genesis 9:2-3). We don't know all that changed and weakened during that time, between animal bodies and the nutrients found in plant life.

Cats may not have originally needed meat to survive. Certainly saber-toothed tigers used their massive teeth to rip through the flesh of their prey, yet God's original purpose for those sabers might have been something far more peaceful, like splitting open melons. (If your cat adores cantaloupe, you know what I mean.)

The picture Isaiah 11 paints of the Millennium is of a world that has returned to Eden. Jesus will be ruling, and things will be as they should. The wolves and lions will dwell peacefully with lambs. No wild animals will do damage. Humans will once again live to be great ages (Isaiah 65:20-25).

We are not there, yet, but kitties like Little Tyke and Dante give us the tiniest breath of that fresh air, a whiff of the loveliness that will once again fill the earth once the Son of David takes the throne.   Even so, come Lord Jesus.

糖叔

這就是七傷拳:先傷己,再傷敵;傷敵七分,自損三分.

沧浪澈

原帖由 moon_boy 于 29-4-2009 07:45 AM 发表
宣化講話本來就有問題

上次那個艾滋病論怪怪的

吃素也能患上癌症，沒有人擔保吃素不能患癌

http://blog.udn.com/kao606/2477499
http://ck101.com/forums/archiver/tid-1289418.html

吃素是多吃菜，不是 ...

不能盲目选择性引用某某僧人的言论，就说是佛教的立场；
还要多参考其他清净和合的出家僧团。

第一论坛

原帖由 书剑 于 29-4-2009 02:17 AM 发表
这里需要了解的是素食不是为了避免瘟疫或者禽流感。再说每当这些事情发生时，人们都不吃这些食物。而有关当局为了避免疫情严重，都选择大屠杀。

是否能避免这样的结局？可能更多被屠杀，据我所知，猪农有他们的规 ...

绝对赞同。

只是有做点研究的话，都知道什么是猪流感。

而况且在1960年的时候，也有类似的病菌发生过，而100万人死亡。

吃不吃素是毫无关系。

其实每个动物，就算是人类都会有感冒的Virus，而人类感冒的病菌叫influenza viruses。

人类是无法杀除这virus的，只是靠抗生剂来提高自己抵抗力。

而现在发生的是猪类的感冒病菌，之前是鸟类的。

禽流感的爆发，是因为这virus混合了其他动物的virus。

如果有读生物学的，可以知道virus是一个难除而容易进化的东西。

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza

糖叔

气沉于渊力凝山根，故示以虚以无胜有，运气之时，须得气运自我运，不必理外力从何方而……虚实须分清，一处有一处，处处总此虚实……气须鼓荡神宜内敛，无使有缺陷处，无使有凹凸处，无使有断续处，要用意不用劲，随人所动，随屈就伸，挨何处心要用在何处，我劲接彼劲，曲中求直，借力打人，须用四两拨千斤之法……前后左右全无定向，后发制人先发者制于人……彼之力方碍我之皮毛，我之意已入彼之骨里，两手支撑一气贯通，左重则左虚，而右已去，右重则右虚，而左已去……气如车轮周身俱要，相随有不相随处，身便散乱，其病于腰腿求之……先以心使身，从人不从己，从身能从心，由己仍从人，由己则滞，从人则活，能从人，手上便有方寸，秤彼劲之大小，分厘不错，权彼来之长短，毫发无差，前进后退处处恰合，工弥久而技弥精……彼不动，己不动，彼微动，己已动，劲似宽而非松，将展未展，劲断意不断……力从人借，气从脊发，胡能气由脊发？气向下沉，由两肩收入脊骨，布于两膊，施于手指，此气之由下而上也，谓之开，合便是收，开便是放，能得开合，便如阴阳……他强由他强，清风拂山冈，他横任他横，明月照大江，他自狠来他自恶，我自一口真气足。

o1j2m3

糖糖，喝喝茶。。。老实说，我也不清楚他们有没有看过金庸小说。。。还是把这些言论当作看故事会比较好。

糖叔

圣经上说:“要爱你爱的人,要爱你不爱的人,要爱你的敌人。”

惟有真诚的爱心才能化解仇恨

我又又来啦

连佛教徒都不相信因果。。。
末法近了

个人虽然无法做到全素，但对于可以全素的人是钦佩的
先把他们当异端看
个人修养上先有问题了

motion

原帖由 o1j2m3 于 29-4-2009 08:01 AM 发表
你能不能不打妄想呢？
请看清楚宣化上人带出来的意思，如果你想创造绝对或否定论，别牵涉到我。

以下，就是你打妄想的铁证。

宣化上人说：

未来会流行一种病，未来的世界将会留下吃素，念佛和修行的人。

1. 请问，宣化上人有说这种病就是现在的猪流感吗？宣化上人没有指明说是猪流感，你却一厢情愿的以为是猪流感。这种一厢情愿的作法，不就是打妄想吗？


2. 请问，吃素，念佛和修行的人，是否可以对猪流感免疫？现在，医学家已表明说猪流感是不能免疫的。也就是说，不论一个人是否吃素，是否念佛，或是否修行，都不能免疫于猪流感。但是，宣化上人所说的那种，是吃素，念佛和修行的人可以免疫的。现今的猪流感，根本就不符合过去宣化上人所说的。但是，虽然不符合，你却一厢情愿的认为宣化上人所说就是现今的猪流感，这不就是打妄想吗？

3. 大家指出了你的错误和邪说，你却坚持的认为自己的见解是对的，这不就是打妄想吗？

motion

原帖由 我又又来啦 于 29-4-2009 10:42 AM 发表
连佛教徒都不相信因果。。。
末法近了

个人虽然无法做到全素，但对于可以全素的人是钦佩的
先把他们当异端看
个人修养上先有问题了

请别乱套因果！

只有愚痴的人才会乱套因果，然后胡乱骂说佛教徒不信因果。佛教徒只是不信愚痴的人所乱套的因果。

motion

原帖由 kkyen84 于 29-4-2009 08:55 AM 发表
真理已经开始变成争理了～～～
在吃肉时先想想动物的痛苦表情吧，别人割你一刀你有什么感觉～

你离题了！

这一帖不是讨论说吃素能避免动物忍受刀下苦。

楼主的原意是鼓吹说吃素能避免猪流感。你相信说吃素能避免猪流感这种没有医学常识的歪论吗？

我又又来啦

原帖由 motion 于 29-4-2009 10:45 AM 发表


请别乱套因果！

只有愚痴的人才会乱套因果，然后胡乱骂说佛教徒不信因果。佛教徒只是不信愚痴的人所乱套的因果。

完了完了
火气还挺大的呢！