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楊紫瓊, 不仅是侮辱了大马民主,还侮辱了昂山素姬.

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发表于 21-4-2013 04:23 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
她那句话恶心到。。现在每次吃饭都吃不下。她太恶心了!
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发表于 21-4-2013 04:27 PM | 显示全部楼层
小儿 发表于 21-4-2013 04:22 PM
不能拿美国等来比,拿新加坡等亚洲国家比就好了,毕竟美国等西方国家和我们文化差异太大,看待民主的角度 ...

除非把我们个个(28000000人口)都送去美国住10年,那就另当别论。
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发表于 21-4-2013 04:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
bashlyner 发表于 21-4-2013 04:18 PM
我并没有一竿子打翻整船人,我是 case by case 分类国阵的支持者的,所以那些乡区的 uncle auntie 我不会 ...

你不给他老爸自小帮她洗脑?
你不给她以前受过马华的大恩大德, 现在要回报?
高学识也不代表每个人看法一样的。PLS。



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发表于 21-4-2013 04:31 PM | 显示全部楼层
Ragnarok026 发表于 21-4-2013 04:20 PM
不对,看下来你的发言让我觉得会让一些人觉得这其实是在软性威胁,【如果你不是老选民,不是被洗脑,但是 ...

威胁一个人需要筹码,我没有国阵的能耐,没能力说“你不支持我就如何 XX 你这种话”,或者是说“如果不是我执政,你的生意/饭碗会怎样怎样”。而且我可没有支持说到处骂人卖国贼啊,但是通过个人的价值观来判断是非对错也不能吗?就如我不会去支持别人堕胎,但是讨论下堕胎合法化不能吗?

而且你搞错了一点,我不会要求民联赢的光彩,我只要求民联赢,或者是其他反国阵的候选人赢,包括独立人士(前提是信誉良好不会有太大的跳槽风险)。民联的资源和手段有限,再怎么不光彩也好也没有国阵可以玩的手段脏。民联愤青会怎样那是他们的事情,我只是以我个人立场来判断这个事件。

比烂不是一个好比法,但却是有说服力的方法,因为国阵烂已经是难以辩驳的事实。很简单,你要我在别人面前说民联上台不会乱,我说不到,我最多说的短期内是不会比国阵差。但是你要问我说国阵该不该被打倒,选民是不是应该 ABU、ABCD,我会很有信心地说应该。因为主要目标很明显,就是打倒国阵,推动两线制。如果你不断强调民联的好,会有更多漏洞给人鑚,也会让人产生“国阵和民联是同等的”的幻觉,我可以告诉你 - 国阵和民联根本不是同一级数的对手,这中间的差距需要理智的人民去填补
本帖最后由 bashlyner 于 21-4-2013 04:39 PM 编辑

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发表于 21-4-2013 04:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
当年潘迪生的决定是没错的。
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发表于 21-4-2013 04:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
vongolia 发表于 21-4-2013 04:28 PM
你不给他老爸自小帮她洗脑?  
你不给她以前受过马华的大恩大德, 现在要回报?
高学识也不代 ...

洗脑到去演昂山素姬后还是一样盲目?拜托啦人家已经见过世面了,就算小时候被洗脑,大了过后还是有很多改进空间,这就等于是说一个被父母教坏的小孩成了罪犯后没错等。而且他她生活条件比其他穷人好太多了,根本就不能够说被洗脑,难道纳吉也给他老爸洗脑了?

如果她为了报恩而罔顾国家利益,那么你会认为没错吗?国阵拿人民的钱来给你,你报答国阵而不是人民?

高学识代表见的世面多,分析能力理应更强,你无视这点认为人人都一样的话那是掩耳盗铃的做法。

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发表于 21-4-2013 04:39 PM | 显示全部楼层
bashlyner 发表于 21-4-2013 04:31 PM
威胁一个人需要筹码,我没有国阵的能耐,没能力说“你不支持我就如何 XX 你这种话”,或者是说“如果不是 ...

你这段说的也有理,给你一个+1。
不过重点来了,看着FB上的回应,你觉得多数人都具有跟你一样的判断基准来构成辱骂杨紫琼的理由么
像是【我只能说短期内不会比国阵差】,很多民联愤青可是信誓旦旦的到处宣扬国阵倒台后民联有多好有多好呢,一问到问题时就拿国阵做得更烂来转移焦点 orz
我表示相信民联领袖,但是对部分偏激支持者们的素质实在是不敢恭维 orz 国阵的枪手我给的评价是笨,但是民联的愤青我实在不懂要怎么评价他们。orz max
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发表于 21-4-2013 04:44 PM | 显示全部楼层
你们真麻烦

要清高你们慢慢清高

对我而言很简单

民联能给人民最大的利益我就说他是正义是救世主

反之拦在民联面前的国阵就是邪恶是灭世魔王

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发表于 21-4-2013 04:46 PM | 显示全部楼层
楊紫瓊 , 我对你很失望咯 ,你的眼睛是不是瞎了  ,

由你的那句话开始 (我今天站在這裡,就是要支持我們最愛的首相 )

我以后都不会支持你 .....
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发表于 21-4-2013 04:46 PM | 显示全部楼层
bashlyner 发表于 21-4-2013 04:36 PM
洗脑到去演昂山素姬后还是一样盲目?拜托啦人家已经见过世面了,就算小时候被洗脑,大了过后还是有很多改 ...

你太片面看法了。
如果你的看法是正确, 美国就不会被恐怖份子袭击。。。你没看报导? 美国的恐怖份子抓到了, 麻省大学的学生。。。
这些恐怖份子不高学识?
别小看洗脑的威力。

还有演昂山素姬不代表她就是昂山素姬吧。。。
难道演英雄的人在现实就是一位英雄咩
请搞清楚她们是演员, 不是什么人民斗士之类的。



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发表于 21-4-2013 04:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
比老巫更可恥的藝人!她生活在榮華富貴的圈子里,可有想過中下層人民改變的決心?民主的國家里我也有權利發表我的意見,草!想必意大利蕉吃太多腦袋進水、
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发表于 21-4-2013 04:50 PM | 显示全部楼层
Ragnarok026 发表于 21-4-2013 04:39 PM
你这段说的也有理,给你一个+1。
不过重点来了,看着FB上的回应,你觉得多数人都具有跟你一样的判断基准 ...

网络暴民这个现象我控制不了的,我以前也是被网民围剿过。但我也不赞成去用高压手段控制,而是要通过提升整体人民素质来中和。

看事情要看两面,如果不是国阵刻意打压传统媒体,限制言论自由,人民就不只是会通过网络宣泄,而是可以通过讲座会,辩论会等方式来理性论证。如果你看过美国最近的爆炸案,其实他们的网民评论也是有非常偏激的,但是同时高素质的也很多,外面也有很多管道来评论,也不见得有什么政治人物会去骂暴民,也不会说骂粗口就是不好等。


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发表于 21-4-2013 04:51 PM | 显示全部楼层
如果bashlyner vongolia 两个的看法都不准,那很可能就是Michelle家庭的问题了。

很可能是老的要她这样子做的。。。
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发表于 21-4-2013 04:53 PM | 显示全部楼层
SenaT 发表于 21-4-2013 03:55 PM
我生活在美國久了,所以很多習慣都跟老外一樣,對美國人來說,一見面就問人家職業是不禮貌的行為。

ATTENTION MILITARY OFFICERS of the United States:
RESTORE OUR CONSTITUTION  !!!!
Every person in the military has to swear a solemn oath to defend the
Constitution of the United States. I did this.
I toll it seriously and consider it a promise to my Creator AND my country.
do not take it lightly, and neither can any of you!

We do not need to destroy our government to do this,
that is precisely what they want!

Instead, we need to restore the Republic to a truly Constitutionally
restrained truly representative form.

I am calling on any officer who is reading this to understand, we are on the precipice of total collapse
and it is inevitable if we allow theJEWS who usurped our government, taken over our media and our
nations finances and who are now working to start a civil rebellion in the United States to continue.
The whole nation is behind you! Keep your goddamned oath. We are ALL sick of this f*cking fake government
full of criminals all working to destroy us.
REMOVE THEM FROM POWER BY FORCE,
AKE CONTROL OF THE MASS MEDIA AND BROADCAST THE TRUTH!

The people are NOT the enemy nor are they the problem, it is those instigating them

and continuously undermining everything we hold dear, morality, truth, justice and freedom
to pursue a happy life where what we earn is ours.
DRIVE THIS DISEASE FROM OUR COUNTRY!
If it is left to the people, as badly misinformed as they are, they will fracture into so many factions

nothing will be accomplished except EXACTLY what the JEWS want.


I KNOW there are hundreds of high level military intelligence officers monitoring this forum,

For Christs sake, think of your children and your grandchildren, do you want them to die
so JEWS can rule the world?

Do your research, look at the common thread, look at who you CANNOT criticize without

getting persecuted it attcked, THAT'S WHO IS IN CONTROL!

It isn't the Masons, nor is it the Catholic church, it is the Ashkenazi jews.


global citizens need to protect NATURAL HUMAN RIGHTS worldwide.

whats left of the constitution is only valid IN UNITED STATES.
the problem exists everywhere the ROYAL 5000 are robbing citizens of soverign nations.

these criminals network globally. the SOLUTION will have to be global.  

military officers are impotent anyway outside their chain of command.

Amen to the OP for bringing the topic up!

There is NO question that the current government we have installed today in the

United States needs to be overthrown.

Why?

Regardless of whether they are working for/against us, it is CLEAR that they are not

doing a GOOD JOB. The reasonable thing to do would be to replace them and do things differently.

I think we all know that the government has got to undergo some rather DRASTIC CHANGES

but the people just do not know HOW.

For bringing up such a topic they could accuse us of being 'terrorists'. But our government is

the where the real terrorists reside. Who's to say who is a threat to this country?
Obviously, the answer is its people, not the politicians.

It's about time the people stood up for their rights!

WTF?

Can you EVEN believe we are at this point, in  These United States Of America?

Is there not ONE Secret Service agent willing to perform an arrest on the Usurper In

Chief,Foreigner, murderer,etc. inhabiting OUR White House.

Is there not ONE Congressman or Senator willing to go to the floor of the House or Senate and DEMAND impeachment, TO absolutely demand action on it RIGHT and NOW and to absolutely not shut up, not LEAVE the building until such time as SOMETHING, ANYTHING has begun to this affect.

When people? WHEN are we going to get our SH*T together?

There is not now, nor has there ever been in the history of HISTORY, a Country as amazing as

the U.S.A. "Country" NO, it is far more than that, An event,a grand experiment in self governance,
they say! It is more akin to a grand experiment in truly spiritual and natural human existance
and social discourse in a manner most conducive to the opportunity for achievement of the fullest
human potential and just plain decensy among people.

What vile and disgusting wretch would even conceive of trying to destroy something so beautiful.

And here's the rub, Barack O-whoever the F*ck he is,

HATES AMERICA...YET...He is LIVING the PERFECT example of the realization of the promise
that this country makes available to all of us.

His elevation from his beginnings to his election to the Presidency NEGATES anything and

everything he claims to HATE the USA for.

We are living in HISTORIC times. I thank my higher power i choose to call GOD that likely,

i will be blessed with the opportunity to lay down my life to defend this country.
An honor, a debt i surely must owe for having had the fortune to be born an American.

This i believe...We will come together as a nation and with the assistance of people's from

all parts of the world who understand that if the U.S.A. fall's, there is no other. This is it.
We will rise to whatever we are tasked with to turn this around, and in the end,
we will appreciate more ,what we almost lost, and will more jealously guard the principles
that make us who we are.

Carpe Diem, Molon Labe!





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发表于 21-4-2013 04:53 PM | 显示全部楼层
她也是马来西亚人,她要支持谁是她的权利,我不会因此而杯葛她,这样才是民主,不过对不起,我不认同她支持国阵,我依然支持民联,就算骂她也是我们的权利,这样才是民主,我只是感到失望,不管她背后的理由是什么
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发表于 21-4-2013 04:55 PM | 显示全部楼层
bashlyner 发表于 21-4-2013 04:50 PM
网络暴民这个现象我控制不了的,我以前也是被网民围剿过。但我也不赞成去用高压手段控制,而是要通过提升 ...

已经举办过很多讲座会,辩论会了。 最新的 Ubah 哥的没看?
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发表于 21-4-2013 04:55 PM | 显示全部楼层
vongolia 发表于 21-4-2013 04:46 PM
你太片面看法了。
如果你的看法是正确, 美国就不会被恐怖份子袭击。。。你没看报导? 美国的恐怖份子抓 ...

数据上来说,当然不能够说知识分子就不一定会被洗脑。但并不能以被洗脑当做伤害他人,无视人民利益的借口,难道你会认为说恐怖分子炸平民不存在道德问题?

你会演昂山素姬,就代表对昂山素姬的斗争有认识,对缅甸的独裁军政府有认识,如果演完后还认同独裁政府,那还能拿什么来辩护? 本帖最后由 bashlyner 于 21-4-2013 05:02 PM 编辑

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发表于 21-4-2013 04:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
vongolia 发表于 21-4-2013 04:55 PM
已经举办过很多讲座会,辩论会了。 最新的 Ubah 哥的没看?

明显你没见过外国的讲座会和辩论会的水准和我们的差别,健康的论证文化还没产生,根本不能够相提并论,像陶杰这样的演讲在我国我就没见过。我们国家一点点政治辩论会就夸大来讲,对别人来说是家常便饭。别人辩论是理性论证,我们就是两派人马互呛。

成熟又不失风趣,讽刺又不带侮辱的讲座


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发表于 21-4-2013 05:05 PM | 显示全部楼层
安全地帶 发表于 21-4-2013 04:48 PM
比老巫更可恥的藝人!她生活在榮華富貴的圈子里,可有想過中下層人民改變的決心?民主的國家里我也有權利發 ...




尊敬你对富贵荣华立场表白。但可以告诉你,

之前在电影扮演缅甸之前长期被长期囚禁的反对党领袖兼诺贝尔和平奖得主昂山素.

是极度侮辱了昂山素枝!

你应该演汉奸角色,最适合你贪婪富贵的素质

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发表于 21-4-2013 05:10 PM | 显示全部楼层
突然很讨厌她!很讨厌很讨厌!也许她身不由己,但是不要说恶心的话!
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