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发表于 31-5-2018 10:03 AM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
This was the reply given to Mr Mokhtar bin Rahmat by Ministry of Health (MOH) on his appeal to use his Medisave to pay for medical expenses incurred during an emergency operation.
Sharing his experience in a Facebook post on 24 May, he shared that his wife was admitted to the A&E of Regency Hospital around two months ago. In total, the surgery and five days of hospitalisation stay came to a final figure of about RM$25,000 (SGD$8,400). Mr Mokhtar said that he managed to raise the amount by borrowing from friends and relatives.
The 60-year-old Singaporean retiree who has been staying in Johor, Malaysia for the past five years with his wife, said that he knew that the hospital that his wife was in, was a MOH approved hospital.
He said he has seen advertisements on buses about how the hospital is able to utilise Medisave.  He said, "Any Singaporean can have a surgery in that hospital. As it was Singapore approved. Check with it's website. It's written there."
And indeed, that is exactly what is written there at the hospital's website:
Regency is the first hospital in Johor Bahru to be approved by Ministry of Health, Singapore, for the use of Medisave overseas for approved hospitalisation and day surgeries.
As a Medisave accredited overseas hospital since 1 March 2010, Singapore patients seeking treatment at Regency are able to enjoy Medisave usage and take advantage of the lower cost of hospitalisation overseas.
The hospital, however, did note that Singapore patients who wish to use their Medisave in Regency must be referred through Health Management International (HMI)’s Medisave-accredited referral centre at Balestier Clinic & Health Screening Centre in Singapore, where pre-admission clinical assessment and financial counselling will be provided.
But still, the attending doctor knew that he had the intention to claim from his Medisave and advised him to visit the screening center and appeal for the use of his Medisave. The doctor even wrote a letter to support his appeal.
Explaining the medical condition of Mr Mohktar's spouse, the doctor asked that the patient be assisted with Medisave reimbursement.
After coming all the way back to Singapore and handing in his appeal letter to the centre at Balestier, MOH replied Mr Mohkatr saying that usage for local medical treatment is limited to patients who are Singapore Citizens or Permanent Residents of Singapore who are normally resident in Singapore. And because his family is not residing in Singapore, therefore they are not eligible to use their Medisave.

Puzzlingly, MOH's reply to Mr Mohktar does not seem to address the situation at hand. One would have assumed – based on the disclaimer on the hospital's website – that the problem Mr Mohkatr face is not seeking prior approval from the Balestier Clinic & Health Screening Centre to seek treatment in Johor.
M  Mohktar said, "Why can't I use my Medisave since it was a government approved? Am I being short changed? Furthermore, it was an emergency. My wife was bleeding. How to come back Singapore?"
And as per Mr Mohktar's explaination, that is impossible for him to seek prior approval, given that his spouse sought medical treatment due to an emergency.
Instead, MOH is declining Mr Mohktar's request to withdraw from his Medisave account because he and his wife is not staying in Singapore.
In what seems to be a standard template document passed to Mr Mokhtar by the doctor at Regency Specialist hospital, there does not seem to be a condition stating that the applicant has to be staying in Singapore to file for claims.
The Online Citizen has written to both MOH and the Regency Specialist Hospital last week, asking for the entities to explain the terms and condition of Medisave usage for Singaporean patients.  However, both have not replied to TOC's queries.
Mr Mohktar shared that his last statement of account in the CPF/Medisave was $37K (Medisave account only).
He asked, "Why am I not allowed to use my Medisave monies with black and white proof? What do you want from me? You want to see me die? Only then I could use my money? We are not elites earning millions of tax payers money."
He noted that he has spent over SGD$10,000+ in cash and counting. After the operation in March, his wife needs to return to the hospital every three days for check-up, which cost between 500-600 ringgit for consultation and medicine.
While he said that he didn't expect to claim much from his Medisave – Probably around SGD$1,000 to SGD$2,000 – he would still like to be able to claim from his Medisave account for the full bill payment which is about S$10,000.
"But .. I don't think that they would allow that." said Mr Mokhtar.
On the withdrawal of Medisave for his wife's medical bills, Mr Mokhat said to TOC, "I want justice. Not charity. That's all."

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 楼主| 发表于 31-5-2018 10:04 AM | 显示全部楼层
这是卫生部(卫生部)对Mokhtar bin Rahmat先生提出的关于他呼吁使用Medisave支付紧急手术期间的医疗费用的回复。

他分享了他在5月24日在Facebook上发表的文章,他分享说,他的妻子在两个月前被送入摄政医院的A&E。总的来说,手术和住院五天的住院时间达到约RM25,000(新币8,400)的最终数字。 Mokhtar先生说,他设法通过向朋友和亲戚借款来增加这笔款项。

这位60岁的新加坡退休人员与妻子在过去五年一直住在马来西亚柔佛州,他说他知道他妻子所在的医院是卫生部批准的医院。

他说他在巴士上看过关于医院如何利用Medisave的广告。他说:“任何新加坡人都可以在那家医院做手术,因为这是新加坡批准的,请查看它的网站,它写在那里。”

事实上,这正是医院网站上写的内容:

Regency是柔佛州新山第一家获得新加坡卫生部批准的医院,用于将海外Medisave用于批准的住院治疗和日间​​手术。

自2010年3月1日起,作为Medisave认可的海外医院,在Regency寻求治疗的新加坡患者能够享受Medisave使用,并利用海外住院费用较低的优势。

不过,医院确实注意到,希望在摄政中使用Medisave的新加坡患者必须通过新加坡马里士他医院健康筛查中心的健康管理国际(HMI)Medisave认可的转诊中心转诊,入院前临床将提供评估和财务咨询。

但是,主诊医生仍然知道他有意向他的Medisave索赔,并建议他访问检查中心并呼吁使用他的Medisave。医生甚至写了一封信来支持他的上诉。



在解释莫赫塔尔先生配偶的医疗状况时,医生要求为患者提供Medisave报销援助。

在回到新加坡并向马里士他医院的中心递交呼吁信后,卫生部回复Mohkatr先生说,当地医疗用途仅限于新加坡公民或新加坡永久居民(通常居于新加坡)的患者。而且因为他的家人不在新加坡居住,所以他们没有资格使用他们的Medisave。

令人费解的是,卫生部对莫赫塔尔先生的答复似乎并未解决眼前的情况。根据医院网站上的免责声明,人们可能会假设Mohkatr先生面临的问题是不要征求马里士他医院筛查中心事先批准在柔佛寻求治疗。

M Mohktar说:“我为什么不能使用我的Medisave,因为它是政府批准的?我是否变短了?此外,这是紧急情况,我的妻子流血了,如何回到新加坡?

根据Mohktar先生的解释,鉴于他的配偶因紧急情况而要求医疗,他不可能事先获得批准。

相反,由于他和他的妻子不住在新加坡,卫生部拒绝了莫赫塔尔先生退出Medisave账户的请求。

在摄政专科医院的医生看来,这是一份标准的模板文件,似乎没有一个条件,说明申请人必须留在新加坡申请索赔。



上周在线公民已经写信给卫生部和摄政专科医院,要求这些实体向新加坡患者解释Medisave使用条款和条件。但是,两人都没有回复TOC的询问。

莫克塔尔先生表示,他在CPF / Medisave上的最后一份陈述是37,000美元(仅限Medisave账户)。

他问道:“为什么我不允许使用我的Medisave钱和黑白证明?你想从我那里得到什么?你想看到我死了吗?只有这样我才能用我的钱?我们不是精英,赚取数百万的税付款人的钱。“

他指出,他已花费超过10,000新元的现金和点票。 3月份手术后,妻子每三天需要回医院检查一次,费用在500-600令吉之间进行咨询和药物治疗。

虽然他说他不希望从他的保健储藏中获得太多 - 可能大约1,000到2,000新元 - 但他仍然希望能够从他的保健储蓄账户中索取全额账单支付约1万新元。

“但是......我认为他们不会允许的。” Mokhtar先生说。

Mokhat先生对妻子的医疗费用撤回后,对TOC说:“我想要正义,不是慈善,这就是全部。”
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发表于 31-5-2018 10:45 AM | 显示全部楼层
其实如果有符合标准都可以claim
查了查官方网站的资料。
http://www.regencyspecialist.com ... stions-on-medisave/

如果对方符合这一切标准都应该享有相关福利。

Q2: Who can use Medisave for overseas treatments?

Singaporeans and PRs who normally reside in Singapore can use their Medisave for their own treatment overseas. They may use their Medisave to pay medical expenses of their immediate family members such as spouse, parents or children, if these family members are Singaporeans/PRs or long-term visit pass holders who normally reside in Singapore.
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发表于 31-5-2018 12:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
Am I being short changed?
我是否变短了?


什麼東西變短了?
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发表于 31-5-2018 12:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 kcchiew 于 31-5-2018 01:00 PM 编辑

若这漏洞可以通, 新加坡人就可以随便在大马用完自己cpfma的钱,然后才回来新加坡kpkb说自己没钱医病,希望国家可以帮忙?

既然选择在外国长住,就得买相关的医疗保险, 这是常识。

(题外话:5天花2万多马币,  这私人医院还真贵。

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发表于 1-6-2018 02:15 PM | 显示全部楼层
我老婆上個月生BB,在gleneagles medini。claim medisave沒問題啊
我和老婆都住JB的
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