《有智慧的探索家》，说话中的修心

自在心

《有智慧的探索家》,访U Tejaniya法师
摘自(http://www.tricycle.com/interview/wise-investigator?page=0,1&offer=dharma，全文)

您说我们可以在日常生活里培育觉知，可那真是个大挑战。您可否说一种超适合在家人的修行方法吗，即使是生意人也能受用的方法？

作为在家人，说话是一项最好的修行机会。当我还是个在家的商人时，第四条有关“正语”（包含了不妄语，不两舌，不恶口，不绮语)的戒律真的大大提升了我的觉知。每当我说话，觉知和智慧必须同时产生，因而我一整天都在应用它们。说了不该说的话或说得太多不必要的话，会给心带来激动干扰。另一个极端，完全的沉默，或在有用及需要时不发表也是个问题。开始时，应用适当的语言“正语”是困难的；这需要修习。但是当你在每次与人对话中学习，你的心会学会如何保持觉知，明白什么是该或不该说，以及知道什么时候说。当然你会犯很多错。每次的犯错都是学习的机会，能教导你下次做得更好。

您可以说说有关您的新书《别看扁你的烦恼，它们会笑你噢！》。

我从没想要写书。我的一位禅修者在小参时做了好多的笔记，他想要让大家也能看到。这些笔记已经过我及其他禅修者的修订及补充。我们挑了这题目，不要低估了烦恼的力量，因为这很重要。当我指导禅修，我强调“观照心”的重要。当你这样做，你会看到很多烦恼。它们粗面的显现，包括了愤怒，贪婪，妄想（贪嗔痴）。它们有好多亲戚朋友，不时显现成五盖：贪欲、嗔恚、睡眠、掉悔、疑。我劝禅修者去了解，去探索这些烦恼，因为只有通过明白它们，我们才能学会掌握它们，最终摆脱它们。如果我们漠视它们，那真是开自己玩笑了，它们肯定会比我们更强了。

You say that we can cultivate awareness in all ouractivities. Yet the challenge is great. Can you give a practice thatis particularly suited to lay life, one you found useful as abusinessman?
For laypeople, speech is a great opportunity to practice. The fourprecepts of right speech [the precepts cautioning against falsespeech, malicious speech, harsh speech, and useless speech] gave areal boost to my awareness as a layperson and businessman. Sinceawareness and wisdom had to come into the picture whenever I spoke, Ihad to apply them all day.Saying things you shouldn’t say or speaking much more than isnecessary brings a lot of agitation to the mind. The other extreme,complete silence, or not speaking up when it is useful or necessary,is also problematic. Applying right speech is difficult in thebeginning; it takes practice. But if you practice every time you talkto someone, the mind will learn how to be aware, to understand whatit should or should not say, and to know when it is necessary totalk. Of course you will make many mistakes. Every mistake is alearning opportunity that will teach you how to do better next time.

Can you say something about thetitle of your book, Don’t Look Down on theDefilements, They Will Laugh at You?

I never intended to write a book. Oneof my yogis had taken a lot of notes during interviews and wanted tomake them available to others. Those notes were then edited andexpanded by me and some other yogis. We picked the title because itis important not to underestimate the power of the defilements. WhenI teach meditation I emphasize the importance of watching the mind.While doing this you will see a lot of defilements. In their grossermanifestations, the defilements are anger, greed, and delusion. Andthey have plenty of friends and relatives, who often show up as thefive hindrances: desire, aversion, torpor, restlessness, and doubt. I advise yogis to get to know andinvestigate the defilements, because only through understanding themcan we learn to handle them and eventually become free of them. If weignore them, the joke’s on us: they’ll always get the better ofus.