俄罗斯国防部“再”十问乌克兰（再提出美国卫星）

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俄罗斯国防部 第2批次“十问乌克兰（这次+美国）”

http://rt.com/news/174496-malaysia-crash-russia-questions/

1. Why did the MH17 plane leave the international corridor?

“Please note that the plane stayed within the corridor until it reached Donetsk but then it deviated from the route to the north,” said Kartopolov.

2. Was MH17 leaving the route a navigation mistake or was the crew following instructions by Ukrainian air traffic controllers in Dnepropetrovsk?

“The maximum deviation from the left border of the corridor was 14 km. Following that, we can see the plane maneuvering to return to the corridor, yet the Malaysian crew did not get a chance to complete the maneuver. At 17.20, the plane began to lose speed, and at 17.23 it disappeared from Russian radars.”

3. Why was a large group of air defense systems deployed to the militia-held area if the self-defense forces have no planes?

“As far as we know, the Ukrainian military had three or four air defense battalions equipped with Buk-M1 SAM systems deployed in the vicinity of Donetsk on the day of the crash. This system is capable of hitting targets within the range of 35 km at the altitude of up to 22 km.”

4. Why did Kiev deploy Buk missile system right next to the militia-controlled area straight ahead of the tragedy?

“We have satellite photos of the places where Ukraine had its air defense units deployed in the southeastern parts of the country. The first three photos were made on July 14. The first photo shows Buk launchers 8 km northwest of Lugansk. You can clearly see a TELAR and two TELs. The second photo shows radars 5 km north of Donetsk. You can see two TARs along with other equipment and technical structures. The third photo shows air defense systems north of Donetsk. You can clearly see a TELAR launcher and about 60 military and auxiliary vehicles, tents for vehicles and other structures.

“Here’s a photo of the same area made on July 17. Please note that the launcher has disappeared. The fifth photo shows a battery of Buk missiles at the village of Zaroshchenskoye 50 km east of Donetsk and 8 km south of Shakhtyorsk on the morning of the same day. The sixth photo shows the same area on July 18. As you can see, the battery has left.”

5. On the day of the crash Kiev increased activity on its Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are components of the Buk system in the area. Why?

“Also, July 17 saw increased activity on the part of Ukraine’s Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are part of the Buk system. Here on this chart you see that there were seven radars operating on July 15, eight radars operating on July 16, and nine radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found.”

6. What was a military plane doing on the route intended for civilian flights?

“There were three civilian planes in the area performing their regular flights at this time. There was a flight from Copenhagen to Singapore at 17:17, there was a flight from Paris to Taipei at 17:24, and then there was the flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.”

“Also, Russian monitoring systems registered that there was a Ukrainian Air Force jet, probably Su-25, climbing and approaching the Malaysian Boeing.”

“The Su-25 was 3-5 km away from the Malaysian plane. Su-25 is capable of climbing to the altitude of 10,000 meters for a short period of time. Its standard armament includes R60 air-to-air missiles, which are capable of locking and hitting targets from 12 km and which are guaranteed to hit the target from the distance of 5 km.”

7. Why was the military jet flying at almost the same time and the same altitude with a passenger plane?

“At 17:21’35, with [the Boeing’s] velocity having dropped to 200 kilometers per hour, a new mark detecting an airborne object appears at the spot of the Boeing’s destruction. This new airborne object was continuously detected for the duration of four minutes by the radar stations Ust-Donetsk and Buturinskaya. An air traffic controller requested the characteristics of the new airborne object, but was unable to get any readings on its parameters – most likely due to the fact that the new aircraft was not equipped with a secondary surveillance radar transponder, which is a distinctive feature of military aircraft,” said Makushev.

“Detecting the new aircraft became possible as it started to ascend. Further changes in the airborne object’s coordinates suggest that it was hovering above the Boeing 777’s crash site, monitoring of the situation.

“Ukrainian officials earlier claimed that there were no Ukrainian military aircraft in the area of the crash that day. As you can see, that is not true.”

8. Where did the launcher – from the video circulated by Western media and showing a Buk system being moved allegedly from Ukraine to Russia – come from? As the video was made on the territory controlled by Kiev, where was the launcher being transported?

“I’d like to say that the information we have presented here is based on objective and reliable data from various technical systems – unlike the groundless accusations made against Russia,” said Kartopolov.

“For example, media circulated a video supposedly showing a Buk system being moved from Ukraine to Russia. This is clearly a fabrication. This video was made in the town of Krasnoarmeisk, as evidenced by the billboard you see in the background, advertising a car dealership at 34 Dnepropetrovsk Street. Krasnoarmeysk has been controlled by the Ukrainian military since May 11.”

9. Where is it right now? Why are some of the missiles missing on the launcher? When was the last time a missile was launched from it?

10. Why haven’t US officials revealed the evidence supporting claims that the MH17 was shot down by a missile launched by the militia?

“US officials claim they have satellite photographs proving the Malaysian airliner was shot down by a missile launched by the militia. But no one has seen these photographs so far. As far as we know, there was indeed a US satellite flying over southeastern Ukraine on July 17 from 17:06 to 17:21 Moscow time.

“This satellite is part of an experimental system designed to track and monitor the launches of missiles of various ranges. If our US colleagues have imagery from this satellite, they should release it for the international community to examine it in detail. This may be a coincidence, but the US satellite flew over Ukraine at exactly the same time when the Malaysian airliner crashed.”

http://rt.com/news/174496-malaysia-crash-russia-questions/

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翻译：

俄罗斯军方向乌克兰和美国再发十问

据俄媒《今日俄罗斯》报道，马航MH17客机坠毁已过去5天。事故原因众说纷纭，面对一些西方国家和乌克兰的指责，俄罗斯军方周一公布了最新的雷达监测数据并做出分析，数据显示在MH17失事前乌克兰政府军飞机曾对其进行跟踪。继上周发出十问后，本周俄罗斯军方再次向乌克兰当局和西方国家提出十个问题。

1、为什么MH17不按国际规定航线飞行？
俄罗斯军方官员Kartopolov称在MH17飞入顿涅茨克地区之前，一直按照国际通行航线飞行，可数据显示到了乌克兰东部的顿涅茨克地区，它便改变了航线。


2、MH17改变航向是因为导航错误还是因为机组人员收到了乌克兰第聂伯罗彼得罗夫斯克市地面交管员的指令？
MH17当时飞行的路线与国际通行航线至少有14公里的误差，我们可以看到飞机曾试图回到正常路线上来，但是17点20时，飞机的速度开始直线下降，17点23分它已经从俄罗斯的雷达监控中消失。


3、顿涅茨克地区的分离武装航空自卫队称没有装备飞机，那么为何军事区域乌克兰会部署大型防空导弹系统？
7月14日，顿涅茨克市以北的5公里处，顿涅茨克地区的山毛榉导弹防御系统。
据我们所知，MH17失事当日，乌克兰政府军在顿涅茨克地区部署有3到4个防空营，这些防空营均配备有“山毛榉”防空导弹系统。


4、为什么悲剧发生之前基辅会在分裂武装控制的区域附近部署反导系统？
7月17日，顿涅茨克市以北的5公里处，顿涅茨克地区的山毛榉导弹防御系统已经转移。
俄罗斯的卫星照片显示，乌克兰在该国东南部地区部署有防空部队。前三张照片是7月14日拍摄的。第一张照片显示在卢甘斯克西北8公里处有山毛榉导弹发射架。你可以清楚地看到1辆雷达车和其它发射设备。第二张照片显示处于顿涅茨克以北5公里的雷达系统，你可以清楚地看到2辆雷达车与和其它设备。第三个图为顿涅茨克北方的防空系统。你可以清楚地看到一个1辆雷达车和大约60辆军事车辆。
这是在7月17日拍摄到的同一地区的照片。请注意，发射架已经消失了。第五图为山毛榉导弹的电池组在顿涅茨克东部50公里处的村庄出现。第六图为
7月18日拍摄的同一个区域。能够看得到，电池已经被移走了。


5、为什么在马航飞机坠毁的当天，基辅的Kupol-M19S18雷达运行强度明显增强？而此雷达系统又是山毛榉导弹运行必不可少的一部分。
7月17日，俄罗斯观察到乌克兰的Kupol-M19S18雷达运行强度明显增强，此雷达系统是山毛榉导弹必不可少的一部分。从下面这张图上可以看到在7月15日有7部雷达运行，7月16日达到了8部，而7月17日达到了顶峰9部。接着，从7月18日开始，雷达的运行强度大规模减弱，现在每天在运行的雷达不
超过2至3部，这背后的原因究竟是什么？


6、为什么是军用飞机出现在民用航班的航线上？
俄罗斯展示的MH17飞机飞行周边状态。
有3架民用飞机在马航MH17执坠落时段出现在当时的区域。17时17分时有一架从哥本哈根飞往新加坡的民航飞机，17时24分有一架从巴黎飞往台北的民航飞机，还有一架是从阿姆斯特丹飞往吉隆坡的飞机。此外俄罗斯的监测系统显示，有一架乌克兰空军飞机，很有可能是苏-25，曾上升高度并接近马航飞机。
苏-25大概距离马航飞机3-5公里。苏-25爬升到10000米高空需要的时间很短。它的标准弹药转配包括R60空-空导弹，射程达到12公里。所有如果有目标出现在其5公里处时，可以说打击成功率能够达到100%


7、为什么是军用飞机与马航MH17几乎在同一高度同时出现？
在17时21分35秒时，马航飞机的飞行速度已经下降到每小时200公里，而雷达在其坠落地点的上空又检测到一架新的飞行器，它在雷达上停留了4分钟。地面要求其报告自己的基本信息，但是没有得到任何的回应。这很有可能是因为飞机上并没有装配二级雷达回应器，所以无法回答。而这也是军用飞机最明显的特征。雷达监测表面，这架军用飞机在马航MH17坠落后仍然在事故现场上空盘旋飞行，以监视随后发生的状况。乌克兰官员早前声称己方没有军用飞机出现在当时的事故区域，但是正如你所能够看到的，乌方的言论不是事实。


8、在西方媒体发布的视频中，一批山毛榉导弹系统从乌克兰被运往俄罗斯，那这个导弹发射器是从何而来？视频的拍摄地点是基辅控制的地域内，导弹发射器究竟被运往何处？
"我要说的是，我们在此发布的任何信息都是客观的，数据也是通过各种技术系统而得出的，十分可信。不像那些针对俄罗斯的指控，毫无根据。“Kartopolov说。
“比如，媒体上播放了一个可能是一个发射山毛榉导弹的系统从乌克兰运往俄罗斯，这显然是伪造的。视频是在乌克兰东部克拉斯诺梅斯克市拍摄的，背景上的广告牌展示的是位于第聂伯罗彼得罗夫斯克街34号的汽车经销商。5月11日起，克拉斯诺梅斯克市就已经处于乌克兰政府军队的控制之下。”


9、导弹发射器现在在哪里？为什么发射器里有几枚导弹不见了？这部车最后一次导弹发射是在什么时候？


10、美国官方称MH17航班是被乌克兰境内的民兵组织击落，为什么还没有证据支持？
美国官员称他们有卫星照片可以证明马航飞机是被民兵组织的导弹击落。但到目前为止还没有人见过美国的卫星照片。据我们所知，美国卫星在莫斯科时间7月17日17:06到17:21确实处于乌克兰东南部的上空。
“这颗卫星是美国导弹预警系统的一部分，旨在追踪和监控不同区域的导弹发射情况。如果美国得到了卫星图像，就应该向国际社会公布，以求进一步的调查。这也许是一个巧合，但美国卫星飞过乌克兰的时间与马来西亚客机坠毁的时间完全相同。”
俄罗斯认为，这已经不是俄罗斯第一次就此次空难进行发问。 基辅坚称俄罗斯是飞机袭击案的幕后黑手，但是却没有任何证据。迄今为止只有“录音”勉强充数。
美国将所有的过错都推到了俄罗斯头上，却也拒绝公布任何情报资料。 周一，美国国务院副发言人Marie Harf谴责俄罗斯所罗列的证据是“政治宣传和虚假谎言”。但是当记者问她华盛顿是否会提供他们的情报资源和卫星数据时，哈尔夫苏菲只轻描淡写地回答说：“可能会吧。” 迄今为止，美国所有言论的来源都是所谓的“常识”和社交媒体，而不是证据。

g4c24

如果美國確定俄國做的.

堂堂超級強國,不可能沒有證據吧???!!!

skyline68

算了吧，老美永远都不会公布真相的，连进攻伊拉克的因为大杀伤力量武器的证据到现在都拿不出来。

raptorF22V

乌克兰称被俄罗斯战机击落一架苏-25战斗机
中新网7月17日电据法新社报道，乌克兰称俄罗斯战机击落一架乌克兰飞机。

一名乌克兰官员17日告诉路透社，当地时间16日晚间，乌克兰一架苏-25战斗机在执行任务时被俄罗斯飞机击落。乌克兰安全和国防委员会发言人告诉记者，被击落飞机中的飞行员在飞机坠毁前，已安全逃出。

乌克兰的防空应该是要对付俄战机的吧。

raptorF22V

俄罗斯有点矛盾哦
一方面指责乌克兰布置大量防空导弹， 另一方面却指责有一架乌克兰空军飞机，很有可能是苏-25，曾上升高度并接近马航飞机。
所以乌克兰的防空导弹是要射苏-25，却因为苏-25上升高度回避， 导致马航被击中？

佳琳

raptorF22V 发表于 23-7-2014 01:45 PM
俄罗斯有点矛盾哦
一方面指责乌克兰布置大量防空导弹， 另一方面却指责有一架乌克兰空军飞机，很有可能是苏 ...

你和这里的其中一个网友一样问了这个问题，不过我选择性不回答他，因为他比较偏激。

俄罗斯只说有战机接近，但他没有说是战机攻击客机，战机的用途除了攻击，也可以是侦查和阻拦用途的。

法号灵灵

佳琳 发表于 23-7-2014 01:59 PM
你和这里的其中一个网友一样问了这个问题，不过我选择性不回答他，因为他比较偏激。

俄罗斯只说有战机 ...

怎样说战机是查和阻拦用途？

raptorF22V

佳琳 发表于 23-7-2014 01:59 PM
你和这里的其中一个网友一样问了这个问题，不过我选择性不回答他，因为他比较偏激。

俄罗斯只说有战机 ...

所以是乌克兰的防空导弹击中了马航？ 但那个苏-25曾上升高度并接近马航飞机 是怎么回事？
苏-25是在确认马航的位置？

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raptorF22V 发表于 23-7-2014 02:13 PM
所以是乌克兰的防空导弹击中了马航？ 但那个苏-25曾上升高度并接近马航飞机 是怎么回事？
苏 ...

要等美国的卫星图，因为美国说有证据，可能需要时间去搞，耐心等待

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法号灵灵 发表于 23-7-2014 02:11 PM
怎样说战机是查和阻拦用途？

人民网6月4日讯 韩国《朝鲜日报》近日引述政府人士的话报道，
5月19日朴槿惠出访阿联酋，途经伊朗上空时，伊朗空军以为有别国战机飞近，于是派出战机阻拦，
一度拒绝总统专机进入领空，耽误了朴槿惠行程。
报道说，朴槿惠的专机当天驶近伊朗领空时，韩方表明身份是“Air Force One”（空军一号，意为总统专机），
不过伊朗人员似乎听成了“Air Force”（空军），
伊朗空军战机一度奉命升空阻拦，朴槿惠的专机因此在空中徘徊了40多分钟。几经联络，朴槿惠的专机最后才获通行。
消息人士指出，其实韩国政府事先已和伊朗政府协调，只是伊朗政府和伊朗军队之间沟通不够及时，结果发生这种情况。

法号灵灵

佳琳 发表于 23-7-2014 02:18 PM
人民网6月4日讯 韩国《朝鲜日报》近日引述政府人士的话报道，
5月19日朴槿惠出访阿联酋，途经伊朗上空时 ...

妳贴韩国的朝鲜日报啊？？真的相信这报道？太天真

kbx

为什么马行这次没有派三宝出场？

拿椰子，拿竹筒望远镜和坐地毡的三宝。